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Dáil Éireann - Volume 545 - 27 November, 2001 Ceisteanna – Questions. - Departmental Appointments. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan 1. Mr. Noonan asked the Taoiseach the names, titles and duties of the persons appointed by him as special or political advisers; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [24820/01] The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: Section 11(1) of the Public Service Management Act, 1997, makes provision for the appointment of special advisers to my office. As provided for in section 11(3) of the Act, the terms and conditions of these appointments are subject to determination by the Minister for Finance. Excluding orders to cover the terms of these posts are requested from the Civil Service Commission, as required, by the Department of Finance. 2 In regard to the appointments I have made as special advisers, the following are the details of those who currently assist me in dealing with the complexities and volume of Government business.[2]
Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Will any of these advisers be involved in the Fianna Fáil general election campaign? If that is the Taoiseach's intention, will they resign in advance of the campaign from the positions they hold at present as civil servants? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: I have not yet given any thought to the general election. Mr. Quinn Mr. Quinn Mr. Quinn: We believe the Taoiseach. The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern 3 The Taoiseach: The normal procedure will be followed. I presume that if advisers are active and [3] working full time for Fianna Fáil during the day they cannot be Government advisers. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: What is normal does not necessarily apply, as we found out on Question Time last week. The Taoiseach is already using civil servants in his communications unit for political purposes. Does the Taoiseach intend using his special advisers, who are now public servants, as party activists in the course of the general election campaign? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: I do not. To reiterate what I said last week, the civil servants who work in the information unit are not providing a political function to Fianna Fáil. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: I suppose we will have to ask the question a few more times before we get a definitive answer. Two weeks ago when the Taoiseach was asked about the purchase by the State of the Battle of the Boyne site he confirmed that one of his political advisers had been involved in his private capacity in the course of the £8 million deal. Because of the many questions which remain unanswered about this issue, does the Taoiseach now agree that it is unwise for people who advise him in the manner he has described in his answer to be also involved privately in business where there could be, or where it could be made to seem there is, a conflict of interest, especially when so much taxpayers' money is involved? Will the Taoiseach discontinue this practice in respect of his current advisers and make this part of the terms and conditions of their employment? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: In relation to Civil Service advisers, a protocol, that is a draft Civil Service code on standards and behaviour, is being developed by the Department of Finance. It has been laid before the House and has been referred to the Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service. Provision is being made in that code to include its applicability to the various posts which are set out in it. That is before the House. Political advisers or advisers to the Government are also answerable under the Ethics in Public Office Act, 1995, the application of which is overseen by the Public Offices Commission. They will be covered by the new code as well as by the Ethics in Public Office Act. With regard to the other issue raised by Deputy Noonan, I stated that the person involved in the Battle of the Boyne site was a friend of mine, not a political adviser. He has been a friend of mine for 20 to 25 years. He is not a political adviser and he has never worked for me, either in a voluntary or public capacity. He is not a civil servant but is involved in business. 4 In today's world it would be far better if people well known to one were not involved in anything. I was surprised when I discovered the person in [4] question was involved in that issue. I said that to the Deputy two weeks ago and I repeat it now. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Will the Taoiseach advise the House that those listed as his advisers in one capacity or another are not engaged in any outside business activity which is an undeclared conflict of interest or could be deemed to be one? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: That is my understanding. They must make full and detailed declarations, the arbiter of which is part of the remit of the Public Office Commission. To the best of my knowledge, none of them has great material needs, other than one who is a part-time farmer. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Last week the Taoiseach's brief did not contain information on the full cost of the communications unit, especially regarding the salaries of the civil servants seconded from other Departments. Does he have this information now and will he indicate the annual salary of each of the persons mentioned in his original reply? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: I understand that information has been forwarded. I did not have it last week and I appreciate the Deputy's comment to that effect. I sent him a letter with the details. I have not got the information with me. It is not relevant to this question. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Last week, questions were submitted by Deputy Quinn and I concerning the same issue. Deputy Quinn's question specifically requested details of the budget of the communications unit. The Taoiseach outlined the cost of the unit to his Department but he did not include the salaries of the civil servants seconded to the Department. In the letter he sent to me this was detailed as an additional cost of £169,000 per annum. Over a five year period that amounts to a significant sum. It constitutes the main cost of the unit. Is it the case that, again, the Taoiseach does not have information on the cost of the salaries of these advisers? If not, will he look at his brief and read out their annual salaries? An Ceann Comhairle Séamus Pattison An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Noonan should table a specific question on that matter. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: With respect, Sir, it is a legitimate supplementary question. An Ceann Comhairle Séamus Pattison An Ceann Comhairle: The Chair decides what is a legitimate supplementary question. There is no reference to salaries in Question No. 1, which is concerned with the names of advisers and their duties. The correct procedure for the Deputy is to table a specific question. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: The Chair is nit-picking. Mr. D. Ahern Mr. D. Ahern Mr. D. Ahern: Who is the nit? Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan 5 Mr. Noonan: Many of us in the House have been Ministers and we know what is contained in [5] a brief to parliamentary questions. We know civil servants normally include the material which allows Ministers answer questions about costs. That is a given. I am asking the Taoiseach to read out the annual salaries. An Ceann Comhairle Séamus Pattison An Ceann Comhairle: I understand the Deputy's question to be about the special advisers. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: That is correct. What is the problem? An Ceann Comhairle Séamus Pattison An Ceann Comhairle: The Taoiseach said he does not have the information. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Last week he said he did not have it. An Ceann Comhairle Séamus Pattison An Ceann Comhairle: I suggest the Deputy should submit a separate question. The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: Perhaps I can help the Chair. I understood Deputy Noonan to be concerned with last week's question. He asked me if I now had information he requested last week. I assumed he was concerned about the information I promptly forwarded to him. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Is the information contained in the Taoiseach's brief? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: The way I heard it, the Deputy was talking about last week's question and I sent him the information. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: That was not the context. The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: The Deputy should have said which week he was talking about – he referred to questions from last week and the week before, which I answered. Mr. Shatter Mr. Shatter Mr. Shatter: The Government had a bad week last week. Mr. D. Ahern Mr. D. Ahern Mr. D. Ahern: Fine Gael had a bad week. An Ceann Comhairle Séamus Pattison An Ceann Comhairle: Order, please. The Taoiseach without interruption. The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: Two weeks ago the Deputy asked me about the battle of the Boyne. I have the information about the advisers. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Will the Taoiseach read it out? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: Yes. Does the Deputy want names and— Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Name, rank, serial number and salary. The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: Gerry Hickey, £127,886.03; Martin Mansergh, £93,007.73; Gerry Howlin, £58,340.44; Peter McDonagh, £58,340.44; Barbara Jones, £55,365.33; and Una Claffey, £72,589.58. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan 6 [6] Mr. Noonan: It is very unusual for annual salaries to have pence, so I take it the Taoiseach has given the amounts paid to these advisers so far in this calendar year, or has he given their annual salaries? It sounds like the amount paid to date. The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: It is the salary per annum. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: Is it annual salary? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: It is salary per annum. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: So there are pennies in annual salaries. The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: Unfortunately in the Civil Service we still deal with that. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: So these are the annual salaries for the current calendar year? The Taoiseach Bertie Ahern The Taoiseach: I can also give them in euros. Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan Mr. Noonan: The Government is so ill-prepared for the changeover we will not ask for them in euros. Mr. Shatter Mr. Shatter Mr. Shatter: In light of the figures given by the Taoiseach, will he confirm that he attaches far greater value to each of his special advisers than to Fianna Fáil backbenchers, who on a basic Dáil salary would all receive less than the advisers? Dáil Éireann 545 Ceisteanna – Questions. Departmental Appointments. Questions 20011127
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